Journals of the Senate
45 Elizabeth II, A.D. 1996, Canada
Journals of the Senate
Issue 24
Thursday, May 30, 1996
9:00 a.m.
The Honourable Gildas L. Molgat, Speaker
The Members convened were:
The Honourable Senators
Adams Andreychuk Angus Atkins Austin Bacon Beaudoin Berntson Bonnell Bosa Bryden Buchanan Carney Carstairs Charbonneau Cochrane Cogger Cohen Comeau Cools Corbin Davey De Bané DeWare Di Nino Doody Doyle Fairbairn Forest Forrestall Ghitter Gigantès Graham Haidasz Hébert Hervieux-Payette Jessiman Johnson Kelleher Kelly Kenny Keon Kinsella Kirby Kolber Landry Lavoie-Roux Lawson LeBreton Lewis Losier-Cool Lynch-Staunton MacDonald (Halifax) MacEachen Marchand Meighen Milne Molgat Murray Nolin Ottenheimer Pearson Perrault Petten Phillips Pitfield Poulin Prud'homme Riel Rivest Roberge Robertson Robichaud Rompkey Rossiter Roux St. Germain Simard Sparrow Spivak Stanbury Stewart Stollery Stratton Taylor Tkachuk Watt Wood
PRAYERS.
SENATORS' STATEMENTS
Some Honourable Senators made statements.
DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS
Notices of Motions
With leave of the Senate,
The Honourable Senator Stewart for the Honourable Senator Kirby moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Corbin:
That the Standing Senate Committee on Banking, Trade and Commerce have power to sit at 11:00 a.m. today, even though the Senate may then be sitting, and that Rule 95(4) be suspended in relation thereto.
After debate,
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
With leave of the Senate,
The Honourable Senator DeWare moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Rossiter:
That Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology be authorized to permit coverage by electronic media of its public proceedings on Bill C-12, An Act respecting employment insurance in Canada, with the least possible disruption of its hearings.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
ORDERS OF THE DAY
GOVERNMENT BUSINESS
Bills
Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Rompkey, P.C., seconded by the Honourable Senator Forest, for the second reading of Bill C-12, An Act respecting employment insurance in Canada.
After debate,
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Bill was then read the second time.
The Honourable Senator Rompkey, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Marchand, P.C., that the Bill be referred to the Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Kirby, seconded by the Honourable Senator Davey, for the second reading of Bill C-28, An Act respecting certain agreements concerning the redevelopment and operation of Terminals 1 and 2 at Lester B. Pearson International Airport,
And on the motion in amendment of the Honourable Senator Lynch-Staunton, seconded by the Honourable Senator Robertson, that Bill C-28 be not now read a second time, but that it be referred back to the House of Commons for proper consideration.
After debate,
The question was put on the motion in amendment.
By unanimous consent, a recorded division was deferred until 4:45 p.m. today.
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At 12:25 p.m. the sitting was adjourned during pleasure to resume at the call of the bell at approximately 2:15 p.m.
The sitting resumed.
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With leave,
The Senate reverted to Presentation of Reports From Standing or Special Committees.
The Honourable Senator Lewis, Joint Chairman of the Standing Joint Committee for the Scrutiny of Regulations, presented its Second Report (amendment to the Canada Business Corporation Regulations).
(The Report is printed as Appendix "A")
The Honourable Senator Lewis moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Landry, that the Report be placed on the Orders of the Day for consideration at the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Honourable Senator Bacon, Chair of the Standing Senate Committee on Transport and Communications, presented its Fourth Report (budget-study on communications in Canada).
Ordered, That the Report be printed as an Appendix to the Journals of the Senate of this day and form part of the permanent records of this House.
The Honourable Senator Bacon moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Stanbury, that the Report be placed on the Orders of the Day for consideration at the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Honourable Senator Ghitter, Chairman of the Standing Senate Committee on Energy, the Environment and Natural Resources, presented its Second Report (budget-study on energy, environment and natural resources).
Ordered, That the Report be printed as an Appendix to the Journals of the Senate of this day and form part of the permanent records of this House.
With leave of the Senate,
The Honourable Senator Ghitter moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Kinsella, that the Report be placed on the Orders of the Day for consideration later this day.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
ORDERS OF THE DAY
GOVERNMENT BUSINESS
Bills
Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator De Bané, P.C., seconded by the Honourable Senator Poulin, for the third reading of Bill C-7, An Act to establish the Department of Public Works and Government Services and to amend and repeal certain Acts.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Tkachuk moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Lavoie-Roux, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Order No. 2 was called and postponed until the next sitting.
Second reading of Bill C-31, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on March 6, 1996.
The Honourable Senator De Bané, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Hervieux-Payette, P.C., that the Bill be read the second time.
After debate,
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Bill was then read the second time.
The Honourable Senator De Bané, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Hervieux-Payette, P.C., that the Bill be referred to the Standing Senate Committee on National Finance.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
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With leave,
The Senate reverted to Presentation of Reports From Standing or Special Committees.
The Honourable Senator Rompkey, P.C., Chair of the Special Committee of the Senate on the Cape Breton Development Corporation, presented its First Report (budget).
Ordered, That the Report be printed as an Appendix to the Journals of the Senate of this day and form part of the permanent records of this House.
With leave of the Senate,
The Honourable Senator Rompkey, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Haidasz, P.C., that the Report be placed on the Orders of the Day for consideration at the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Honourable Senator Kenny presented the following:
THURSDAY, May 30, 1996
The Standing Committee on Internal Economy, Budgets and Administration has the honour to present its
SIXTH REPORT
Your Committee has examined and approved the budgets presented to it by the following Committees for the proposed expenditures of the said Committees for the fiscal year ending March 31, 1997:
Standing Senate Committee on Legal and Constitutional Affairs (Legislation)
|
Professional and Other Services |
$14,300 |
|
Travel Expenses |
6,000 |
|
Witness Expenses |
20,000 |
|
All Other Expenditures |
1,500 |
|
Total |
$41,800 |
Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology (Legislation)
|
Professional and Other Services |
$12,900 |
|
Travel Expenses |
5,964 |
|
Witness Expenses |
20,000 |
|
Courier Services |
100 |
|
All Other Expenditures |
500 |
|
Total |
$39,464 |
Standing Senate Committee on Transport and Communications (Legislation)
|
Professional and Other Services |
$39,500 |
|
Travel Expenses |
2,000 |
|
Witness Expenses |
8,000 |
|
Courier Services |
200 |
|
All Other Expenditures |
700 |
|
Total |
$50,400 |
Standing Senate Committee on Energy, the Environment and Natural Resources (Legislation)
|
Professional and Other Services |
$ 17,100 |
|
Travel Expenses |
104,530 |
|
All Other Expenditures |
4,500 |
|
Total |
$126,130 |
Standing Senate Committee on National Finance (Legislation) (for 6 months)
|
Professional and Other Services |
$88,200 |
|
All Other Expenditures |
500 |
|
Total |
$88,700 |
Standing Joint Committee on Official Languages
|
Professional and Other Services |
$ 525 |
|
Witness Expenses |
1 050 |
|
Total |
$1 575 |
Special Joint Committee on a Code of Conduct
|
Travel Expenses |
$5,120 |
|
Witness Expenses |
1,970 |
|
All Other Expenditures |
455 |
|
Total |
$7,545 |
Respectfully submitted,
COLIN KENNY
Chair
The Honourable Senator Kenny moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Stollery, that the Report be placed on the Orders of the Day for consideration at the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
ORDERS OF THE DAY
GOVERNMENT BUSINESS
Bills
Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Gigantès, seconded by the Honourable Senator Grafstein, for the second reading of Bill C-19, An Act to implement the Agreement on Internal Trade.
After debate,
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted on division.
The Bill was then read the second time, on division.
The Honourable Senator Gigantès moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Bosa, that the Bill be referred to the Standing Senate Committee on Banking, Trade and Commerce.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Motions
The Order to resume debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Bacon was called and postponed until the next sitting.
Reports of Committees
Consideration of the Seventh Report of Standing Senate Committee on Legal and Constitutional Affairs (Bill C-13, An Act to provide for the establishment and operation of a program to enable certain persons to receive protection in relation to certain inquiries, investigations or prosecutions, with an amendment) presented in the Senate on May 28, 1996.
The Honourable Senator Carstairs moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Milne, that the Report be adopted.
After debate,
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
With leave of the Senate,
The Honourable Senator Milne moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Carstairs, that the Bill, as amended, be read the third time now.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Bill, as amended, was then read the third time and passed.
Ordered, That a Message be sent to the House of Commons to acquaint that House that the Senate have passed this Bill with an amendment, to which they desire their concurrence.
OTHER BUSINESS
Senate Public Bills
Orders No. 1 and 2 were called and postponed until the next sitting.
Reports of Committees
Order No. 1 was called and postponed until the next sitting.
Consideration of the Second Report of the Standing Senate Committee on Energy, the Environment and Natural Resources (budget-study on energy, environment and natural resources) presented earlier this day.
The Honourable Senator Ghitter moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Andreychuk, that the Report be adopted.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Other
Orders No. 5, 3 (inquiries), 28 (motion) and 2 (inquiry) were called and postponed until the next sitting.
Resuming the debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Beaudoin, seconded by the Honourable Senator Lynch-Staunton:
That a special committee of the Senate be appointed to examine and report upon the issue of Canadian unity, specifically recognition of Quebec, the amending formula, and the federal spending power in areas of provincial jurisdiction;
That the committee be composed of twelve Senators, three of whom shall constitute a quorum;
That the committee have power to send for persons, papers and records, to examine witnesses, to report from time to time and to print such papers and evidence from day to day as may be ordered by the committee;
That the papers and evidence received and taken by the Special Committee of the Senate on Bill C-110, An Act respecting constitutional amendments, during the First Session of the Thirty-fifth Parliament be deemed to have been referred to the committee established pursuant to this motion;
That the committee have power to sit during sittings and adjournments of the Senate;
That the committee submit its final report no later than December 15, 1996; and
That, notwithstanding usual practices, if the Senate is not sitting when the final report of the committee is completed, the committee shall deposit its report with the Clerk of the Senate, and said report shall thereupon be deemed to have been tabled in this Chamber.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Gigantès moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Hébert, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
INQUIRIES
The Honourable Senator Carney, P.C., called the attention of the Senate to the lack of any impact studies undertaken by the Government of Canada on the effects of the Mifflin Salmon Plan on the Coastal communities of British Columbia, who fear that their existence will be placed in jeopardy if they are stripped of their resident fishing fleets.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Berntson moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Kinsella, that further debate on the inquiry be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
MOTIONS
The Honourable Senator Berntson for the Honourable Senator Ghitter moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Doyle:
That the Standing Senate Committee on Energy, the Environment and Natural Resources have power to engage the services of such counsel and technical, clerical and other personnel as may be necessary for the purpose of its examination and consideration of such bills, subject-matters of bills and estimates as are referred to it; and
That the Committee have power to adjourn from place to place within and outside Canada for the purpose of such studies.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
DEFERRED DIVISIONS
At 4:45 p.m., the Senate proceeded to the taking of the deferred division on the motion in amendment of the Honourable Senator Lynch-Staunton to the motion of the Honourable Senator Kirby, seconded by the Honourable Senator Davey, for the second reading of Bill C-28, An Act respecting certain agreements concerning the redevelopment and operation of Terminals 1 and 2 at Lester B. Pearson International Airport.
The question being put on the motion in amendment of the Honourable Senator Lynch-Staunton, seconded by the Honourable Robertson, that Bill C-28 be not now read a second time, but that it be referred back to the House of Commons for proper consideration, it was negatived on the following division:
YEAS
The Honourable Senators
Andreychuk Angus Atkins Beaudoin Berntson Buchanan Carney Charbonneau Cochrane Cogger Cohen Comeau DeWare Di Nino Doody Doyle Forrestall Ghitter Jessiman Johnson Kelleher Kelly Keon Kinsella Lavoie-Roux LeBreton Lynch-Staunton MacDonald (Halifax) Meighen Murray Nolin Ottenheimer Phillips Rivest Roberge Robertson Rossiter St. Germain Simard Spivak Stratton Tkachuk-42
NAYS
The Honourable Senators
Adams Austin Bacon Bonnell Bosa Bryden Carstairs Cools Corbin Davey De Bané Fairbairn Forest Gigantès Graham Haidasz Hébert Hervieux-Payette Kenny Kirby Landry Lawson Lewis Losier-Cool MacEachen Marchand Milne Molgat Pearson Perrault Petten Pitfield Poulin Prud'homme Riel Robichaud Rompkey Roux Stanbury Stewart Stollery Taylor Watt Wood-44
ABSTENTIONS
The Honourable Senators
Nil
The question then being put on the motion of the Honourable Senator Kirby, seconded by the Honourable Senator Davey, for the second reading of Bill C-28, An Act respecting certain agreements concerning the redevelopment and operation of Terminals 1 and 2 at Lester B. Pearson International Airport, it was adopted on the following division:
YEAS
The Honourable Senators
Adams Austin Bacon Bonnell Bosa Bryden Carstairs Cools Corbin Davey De Bané Fairbairn Forest Gigantès Graham Haidasz Hébert Hervieux-Payette Kenny Kirby Landry Lawson Lewis Losier-Cool MacEachen Marchand Milne Molgat Pearson Perrault Petten Pitfield Poulin Prud'homme Riel Robichaud Rompkey Roux Stanbury Stewart Stollery Taylor Watt Wood-44
NAYS
The Honourable Senators
Andreychuk Angus Atkins Beaudoin Berntson Buchanan Carney Charbonneau Cochrane Cogger Cohen Comeau DeWare Di Nino Doody Doyle Forrestall Ghitter Jessiman Johnson Kelleher Kelly Keon Kinsella Lavoie-Roux LeBreton Lynch-Staunton MacDonald (Halifax) Meighen Murray Nolin Ottenheimer Phillips Rivest Roberge Robertson Rossiter St. Germain Simard Spivak Stratton Tkachuk-42
ABSTENTIONS
The Honourable Senators
Nil
Accordingly, the Bill was read the second time.
The Honourable Senator Kirby moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Davey, that the Bill be referred to the Standing Senate Committee on Legal and Constitutional Affairs.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
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With leave,
The Senate reverted to Government Notices of Motions.
With leave of the Senate,
The Honourable Senator Graham moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C.:
That when the Senate adjourns today, it do stand adjourned until Tuesday next, June 4, 1996, at 2:00 p.m.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
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Ordered, That the motion of the Honourable Senator Spivak set down on the Order Paper earlier this day for tomorrow, Friday, May 31, 1996, be brought forward.
The Honourable Senator Spivak moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Comeau:
That the Standing Senate Committee on Agriculture and Forestry have power to sit at 3:30 p.m. on Tuesday, June 4, 1996, even though the Senate may then be sitting and that Rule 95(4) be suspended in relation thereto.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE SENATE PURSUANT TO RULE 28(2):
Reports of the Public Service Staff Relations Board required by the Access to Information Act, and the Privacy Act for the period ended March 31, 1996, pursuant to the Access to Information Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. A-1, s. 72(2) and the Privacy Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. P-21, s. 72(2).-Sessional Paper No. 2/35-178.
Report on the Operations of the Exchange Fund Account, including its accounts and financial statements certified by the Auditor General, for the year ended December 31, 1995, pursuant to the Currency Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. C-52, s. 21(1).-Sessional Paper No. 2/35/179.
Reports of the Office of the Superintendent of Financial Institutions required by the Access to Information Act and the Privacy Act for the period ended March 31, 1996, pursuant to the Access to Information Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. A-1, s. 72(2) and the Privacy Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. P-21, s. 72(2).-Sessional Paper No. 2/35-180.
ADJOURNMENT
The Honourable Senator Graham moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C.:
That the Senate do now adjourn.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.